[Tek]

New England Patriots traded QB Matt Cassel AND LB Mike Vrabel for 2nd round pick(34th overall pick) in 2009 draft

http://www.boston.co...l_trade_co.html


can anyone honestly tell me whats wrong with this deal I surely can any dumb founded pats fan can

Cassel as a Franchise player if signed by another team pats would of received a 1ST ROUND PICK IN 2009 as compensation

yet pats and bill the dingbat Belichick trades Matt and Mike for 1 that's right 1 2nd round pick

this has to be worst deal I ever saw

you give up 2 marque players for 1 pick that is 2nd round

ESPN is making fun of pats for this deal they stated at least should of been 1st and 3rd picks <-- this is according to Scouts, Inc. Todd McShay says the value of these 2 players in a 1 package deal is 1st and 3rd round at minium

oh also to make things even worse what is Bill think I just found out he traded 2 players to DENVER aka Josh McDaniels new team

Long snaper Lonnie Paxton and WR Jabber Gaffney in exchange for 7th round pick in 2009

[Teddy Ballgame MVP]

Gaffney and Paxton were signed by the Broncos. Paxton is now the second richest long snapper in the NFL (behind Cleveland’s Ryan Pontbriand).

The only thing I can figure is that Belichick was really down on Vrabel. I don't know what he knows exactly, but he must have decided that Vrabel's salary is way out of whack with his performance. I don't have access to any info on whether that was the right assessment, but Belichick does have plenty of info. so, we gave Vrabel away as a salary dump just to clear cap space for Shawn Springs or Julius Peppers or Leigh Bodden or somebody else. I think Belichick has a strong desire to improve our defense because this year's SB just continues the trend of best defense wins the SB and he wants to use that 2nd rounder from the Chiefs and our 1st rounder to get younger on defense and the cap space to get better value in veteran defensive players. I would have liked to get a 2010 2nd rounder, too, but that's how it is. It's important to view this trade through the lens of needing to get rid of Vrabel off our cap. You can't just say Cassel is a 1st round talent and we should have gotten a 1st rounder. I'm sure Belichick tried to get the Lions (or some other team) to take Vrabel and Cassel, with us getting the Cowboys pick the Lions had, but the Lions must have declined.

[FramCire]

1. I love Vrabel but he is slowing down. We can deal him to KC now and both sides can be OK with it, or we can end up letting him go end of season for nothing.

2. Cassel would be worth a ton more IF:

a. He was signed beyond this season
b. We didnt have 30 mill in QBs on our roster
c. Most teams who need a QB werent in place to pick a good looking one in the draft.

3. Lets say we let them both go at end of year. We pay 20 mil in cap room this year for 3/4 a starter and a great bench player and get a late 3rd in return.


So, we trade 2 players who werent expected to contrbute every down for the 34th pick (almost a 1st. but gets paid 2nd round money) AND get 20 mill in cap room for this year. I would have loved a 2nd pick in this deal, but overall it is a great deal for both teams. If we use this cap space wisely and make a good pick, we should get a cheap young starter and another starter for Vrabel (declining) and Cassel (hopefully a bench guy for us).

As for Gafney and Paxton, they got wayyyy overpaid. congrats to both of them. they will be replaced easily.

At first I hated this deal but now it looks a lot better once we see all the details.

BTW, calling BB a dingbat makes you look foolish. He just got the 34th pick for a guy who EVERYONE wanted him to cut last year and a 33 year old injured LB (who I hope goes All pro next year but doubt it)

[Teddy Ballgame MVP]

FramCire, on Feb 28 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

1. I love Vrabel but he is slowing down. We can deal him to KC now and both sides can be OK with it, or we can end up letting him go end of season for nothing.

2. Cassel would be worth a ton more IF:

a. He was signed beyond this season
b. We didnt have 30 mill in QBs on our roster
c. Most teams who need a QB werent in place to pick a good looking one in the draft.

3. Lets say we let them both go at end of year. We pay 20 mil in cap room this year for 3/4 a starter and a great bench player and get a late 3rd in return.


So, we trade 2 players who werent expected to contrbute every down for the 34th pick (almost a 1st. but gets paid 2nd round money) AND get 20 mill in cap room for this year. I would have loved a 2nd pick in this deal, but overall it is a great deal for both teams. If we use this cap space wisely and make a good pick, we should get a cheap young starter and another starter for Vrabel (declining) and Cassel (hopefully a bench guy for us).

As for Gafney and Paxton, they got wayyyy overpaid. congrats to both of them. they will be replaced easily.

At first I hated this deal but now it looks a lot better once we see all the details.

BTW, calling BB a dingbat makes you look foolish. He just got the 34th pick for a guy who EVERYONE wanted him to cut last year and a 33 year old injured LB (who I hope goes All pro next year but doubt it)

I think it's possible that Belichick thought Vrabel was so overpaid that he was about to be cut now-- not allowed to play out the season and reach FA. So, he used a player he was about to cut as a throw-in for the deal. I still don't see how with so many teams that need a starting QB upgrade, that there wasn't a nice bidding war that resulted in at least two guaranteed 2nd rounders.

As far as "c", I don't buy at all that teams like Detroit rate Stafford or Sanchez over Cassel. I just don't see how that would be true. Knowing that a QB can play in the NFL, much less start and succeed, is priceless information. Cassel never looked like he was a bust at any point after a few weeks into the season, even though he didn't get hot until the last few weeks of the season. Detroit knows full well they could end up with the next Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, or Alex Smith. Cassel is not going to be a bust.

Also, the cap room is critical because we are going to have to break the bank for Wilfork (post-Haynesworth's deal) and Mankins will clean up, too.

[cpredsox]

This was a solid deal because cap room is very important in the NFL. The pats can now go hard after Peppers via trade or for him in FA next season.

[FramCire]

Teddy Ballgame MVP, on Feb 28 2009, 09:40 PM, said:

I think it's possible that Belichick thought Vrabel was so overpaid that he was about to be cut now-- not allowed to play out the season and reach FA. So, he used a player he was about to cut as a throw-in for the deal. I still don't see how with so many teams that need a starting QB upgrade, that there wasn't a nice bidding war that resulted in at least two guaranteed 2nd rounders.

As far as "c", I don't buy at all that teams like Detroit rate Stafford or Sanchez over Cassel. I just don't see how that would be true. Knowing that a QB can play in the NFL, much less start and succeed, is priceless information. Cassel never looked like he was a bust at any point after a few weeks into the season, even though he didn't get hot until the last few weeks of the season. Detroit knows full well they could end up with the next Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, or Alex Smith. Cassel is not going to be a bust.

Also, the cap room is critical because we are going to have to break the bank for Wilfork (post-Haynesworth's deal) and Mankins will clean up, too.

you dont have to buy "c" but even the 1st pick wouldnt count 14 mill vs the cap. So a team like Detroit will be happier with Stafford and the cap difference. PLUS cassel can walk or make another 14+ next year. Many years of control at a smaller cap hit should be enough to make Sanchez or Stafford more likable.

I complete;y agree about Vrabel, you are most likely right. Michael Smith reported that the PATS wanted to add Vrabel (according to Mike Reiss' chat on boston.com)

I dont think its peppers... but Springs and Lodden and then extending Wilfork and Mankins works!

also the Pats have 3 2nds now...... wouldnt be shocked to see a 2010 1st come from this.

[déjà vu]

Even with the 14M in cap room that this deal gave us, I don't think the Patriots will be big buyers for any free agents. One player I do hope that New England ill go after is Patrick Surtain.

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déjà vu, on Mar 1 2009, 04:03 PM, said:

Even with the 14M in cap room that this deal gave us, I don't think the Patriots will be big buyers for any free agents. One player I do hope that New England ill go after is Patrick Surtain.

Surtain didnt impress me this year but maybe with a decnet pass rush, hed look better.

I like Springs

[déjà vu]

Shawn Springs would be a great addition aswell. With Vrabel gone, do we make a run a Ray Lewis?

[FramCire]

déjà vu, on Mar 1 2009, 04:18 PM, said:

Shawn Springs would be a great addition aswell. With Vrabel gone, do we make a run a Ray Lewis?

I got a weird feeling that BB drafts a bunch of LB/Cb and sees who sticks (also a C/long snapper)

We whould have 6 pickes in first 3 rounds

[Tek]

I will stick with my opinions and the evidence is clear after watching all 3 Boston sports Sunday shows they all stated there was something FISHY with BB and Pioli in this deal as there was 1 other major deal pats turned down that was confirmed by the NFL offices so this is not rumor

it would of been this:

Denver gets:QB Matt Cassel & LB Mike Vrabel

Tampa Bay gets: QB Jay Cutler & Denver's 5th round pick

New England gets: Denver's 3rd Round pick & Tampa Bay's 1st Round pick

this would of freed up same cap room

and Denver and TB both confirmed they made this offer to the pats as well as cutler stated he was told he was soon going to where "SOME TEAM THAT REALLY WANTED ME"

and NFL offices confirmed this was on the table

now you guys can tell me this was a good deal for 1 single pick but fans on other message boards like boston.com as well as ALL newspaper reporters and tv reporters in Boston are laughing at this and everyone has deemed this

"BILL B. GETTING ROYALLY HOSED"

[FramCire]

Tek, on Mar 1 2009, 11:59 PM, said:

I will stick with my opinions and the evidence is clear after watching all 3 Boston sports Sunday shows they all stated there was something FISHY with BB and Pioli in this deal as there was 1 other major deal pats turned down that was confirmed by the NFL offices so this is not rumor

it would of been this:

Denver gets:QB Matt Cassel & LB Mike Vrabel

Tampa Bay gets: QB Jay Cutler & Denver's 5th round pick

New England gets: Denver's 3rd Round pick & Tampa Bay's 1st Round pick

this would of freed up same cap room

and Denver and TB both confirmed they made this offer to the pats as well as cutler stated he was told he was soon going to where "SOME TEAM THAT REALLY WANTED ME"

and NFL offices confirmed this was on the table

now you guys can tell me this was a good deal for 1 single pick but fans on other message boards like boston.com as well as ALL newspaper reporters and tv reporters in Boston are laughing at this and everyone has deemed this

"BILL B. GETTING ROYALLY HOSED"

tek, you passing this off as your opinion or did you cut and paste this from the internet (Hint: I KNOW the answer)

[FramCire]

This article questions what has been said.

http://sports.yahoo....4...o&type=lgns

interesting read.

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Unless, when it comes to Bill Belichick’s intelligence, you want to believe unknown sources over history and common sense.

That about sums up my thinking as well.